April 25, 200917 yr This presidency is getting closer and closer to a tyranny. IMO this is basicly saying that a large portion of our country will have no voice or representation in this. http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/04/22/democrats-want-speedy-health-care-debate/ Democrats Move Closer to 'Fast Track' for Obama Health Care Plan WASHINGTON -- Democrats moved one step closer Wednesday to using a controversial budget procedure to speed passage of President Obama's health care legislation. House Democrats went on record again in favor of advancing the legislation while allowing only limited debate, which would hobble the ability of Republicans to wrest concessions on one of Obama's top domestic priorities. By a 227-196 vote, the House affirmed Democrats' plans to move health care legislation under rules that block Republicans in the Senate from being able to slow progress of the legislation -- or even stop it, through a filibuster.
April 25, 200917 yr I feel this is the wrong way to approach something so huge. It will be interesting to see where this goes.
April 25, 200917 yr I've seen first have what government control (yea Obamans I know this isn't a nationalized plan, yet) of health care does to providers through what they have done in Medicare. You want a real health care shortage let government apply the same rules to everyone as are already applied on Medicare patients. the numbers of people willing to put in the time and expense to become doctors, nurses, PTs etc. will plummet.
April 25, 200917 yr Limited or no debate? The Dems would not even allow an opposition view to Gore during the 'phony' hearings on the 'phony' global warming debate. The Dems do not want debate as if facts actually show up they know it will be difficult to pass this socialist agenda. I have never known a liberal who cared for truth or facts, just what makes them feels good.
April 26, 200917 yr How's this for grasp. The Dems want no debate because that would lead to more questions then answers.
April 26, 200917 yr Author While I don't fully grasp this strategy its hardly new. It's not new, but my understanding is that it is very rarely ever used. In fact I'm not sure I can recall ever reading about it before.
April 26, 200917 yr It's not new, but my understanding is that it is very rarely ever used. In fact I'm not sure I can recall ever reading about it before. 2001 2003 2005 The challenge current Rs will have is trying to focus on the "process" when it was used in 2001 to pass tax cuts known by some as "tax cuts for the rich." They need to be careful on how they proceed here.
April 26, 200917 yr These types of quotes are interesting by ol' Mitch: "Fast-tracking a major legislative overhaul such as health care reform or a new national energy tax without the benefit of a full and transparent debate does a disservice to the American people," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said in a statement. "And it would make it absolutely clear they (Democrats) intend to carry out their plans on a purely partisan basis," McConnell said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090424/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_congress Is he saying that tax legislation that he voted for using "fast track" is NOT important?
April 26, 200917 yr 2001 2003 2005 The challenge current Rs will have is trying to focus on the "process" when it was used in 2001 to pass tax cuts known by some as "tax cuts for the rich." They need to be careful on how they proceed here. Translated: People who actually pay income taxes.
April 26, 200917 yr These types of quotes are interesting by ol' Mitch: "Fast-tracking a major legislative overhaul such as health care reform or a new national energy tax without the benefit of a full and transparent debate does a disservice to the American people," Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell said in a statement. "And it would make it absolutely clear they (Democrats) intend to carry out their plans on a purely partisan basis," McConnell said. http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090424/pl_nm/us_usa_healthcare_congress Is he saying that tax legislation that he voted for using "fast track" is NOT important? But I thought that tha Dems ran on a platform of bringing accountability and transparency to Washington? Surely Nancy and Harry and crew are above using tactics they condemned. Nice dodge though trying to direct the thread away from the topic.
April 26, 200917 yr 2001 2003 2005 The challenge current Rs will have is trying to focus on the "process" when it was used in 2001 to pass tax cuts known by some as "tax cuts for the rich." They need to be careful on how they proceed here. I had to quote this post again because I know I remember Nasty Nancy using words like openeess and transparancy when she talked about how this congress was going to be run. Surely after just 100 days that Obama supporters haven't already started the "Well they did it before us excuse have they"? I thought Obama brought change you can believe in. Sure looks alot to me like teh same old double talk that has always happened.
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