What is an acceptable margin to beat a team in soccer?

There is no reason for ND to stop sending their JV to play other Team's Varsity squads. The players and their parents know the rules and if they want to opt out, I'm sure the ND coaches would have no problem allowing the player to sit the game out. I'm betting that none on the JV do this though. The girls are Notre Dame Pandas not just soccer players. The main reasons these kids are at ND is not to play sports, that is simply a bonus. They go because of the friendships they have, the special uniqueness of an all girls High School, the strong academics and the faith based value system they are immersed in as a member of the Notre Dame Family.

Nicely said and oh so very, very true! I can honeslty tell you I have met more young ladies who attended NDA for the academics, arts and drama departments, then attended NDA to play sports.

Couldn't agree more!!:thumb:

There is no reason for ND to stop sending their JV to play other Team's Varsity squads. The players and their parents know the rules and if they want to opt out, I'm sure the ND coaches would have no problem allowing the player to sit the game out. I'm betting that none on the JV do this though. The girls are Notre Dame Pandas not just soccer players. The main reasons these kids are at ND is not to play sports, that is simply a bonus. They go because of the friendships they have, the special uniqueness of an all girls High School, the strong academics and the faith based value system they are immersed in as a member of the Notre Dame Family.

Just because you wouldn't opt to change schools for athletics doesn't mean it wouldn't be important for another student...and parents and players DON'T all know this rule or even think about it...they go to the game as scheduled unknowing of the possible consequences...there are plenty of top athletes who get cut at NDA who can and do go on to play in college...it would be a shame if a player could not pursue this goal because the Varsity coach didn't want to play a team and sent the JV instead...I know of three players who transferred after being cut...one to Villa Madonna and two to Holy Cross...this issue was brought up with the two who transferred to Holy Cross...none of them gave up strong academics or the faith based value system when they transferred and they did go on to have fun playing the sport they loved and earned college scholarships in their sport...there are plenty of athletes at NDA who find other activities at NDA when they get cut from a sport because they wouldn't consider leaving but the administration should not assume that this is the case with all of their athletes...the practice of sending JV and Freshman teams to play Varsity matches should be banned as a matter of policy...suck it up and play the game and leave the underclassmen's eligibility intact...or...have a no cut policy for Juniors who did the Varsity a favor the year before....don't ruin their eligibilty and then cut them from the team!

There is no reason for ND to stop sending their JV to play other Team's Varsity squads. The players and their parents know the rules and if they want to opt out, I'm sure the ND coaches would have no problem allowing the player to sit the game out. I'm betting that none on the JV do this though. The girls are Notre Dame Pandas not just soccer players. The main reasons these kids are at ND is not to play sports, that is simply a bonus. They go because of the friendships they have, the special uniqueness of an all girls High School, the strong academics and the faith based value system they are immersed in as a member of the Notre Dame Family.

Just because you wouldn't opt to change schools for athletics doesn't mean it wouldn't be important for another student...and parents and players DON'T all know this rule or even think about it...they go to the game as scheduled unknowing of the possible consequences...there are plenty of top athletes who get cut at NDA who can and do go on to play in college...it would be a shame if a player could not pursue this goal because the Varsity coach didn't want to play a team and sent the JV instead...I know of three players who transferred after being cut...one to Villa Madonna and two to Holy Cross...this issue was brought up with the two who transferred to Holy Cross...none of them gave up strong academics or the faith based value system when they transferred and they did go on to have fun playing the sport they loved and earned college scholarships in their sport...there are plenty of athletes at NDA who find other activities at NDA when they get cut from a sport because they wouldn't consider leaving but the administration should not assume that this is the case with all of their athletes...the practice of sending JV and Freshman teams to play Varsity matches should be banned as a matter of policy...suck it up and play the game and leave the underclassmen's eligibility intact...or...have a no cut policy for Juniors who did the Varsity a favor the year before....don't ruin their eligibilty and then cut them from the team!

Just because you wouldn't opt to change schools for athletics doesn't mean it wouldn't be important for another student...and parents and players DON'T all know this rule or even think about it...they go to the game as scheduled unknowing of the possible consequences...there are plenty of top athletes who get cut at NDA who can and do go on to play in college...it would be a shame if a player could not pursue this goal because the Varsity coach didn't want to play a team and sent the JV instead...I know of three players who transferred after being cut...one to Villa Madonna and two to Holy Cross...this issue was brought up with the two who transferred to Holy Cross...none of them gave up strong academics or the faith based value system when they transferred and they did go on to have fun playing the sport they loved and earned college scholarships in their sport...there are plenty of athletes at NDA who find other activities at NDA when they get cut from a sport because they wouldn't consider leaving but the administration should not assume that this is the case with all of their athletes...the practice of sending JV and Freshman teams to play Varsity matches should be banned as a matter of policy...suck it up and play the game and leave the underclassmen's eligibility intact...or...have a no cut policy for Juniors who did the Varsity a favor the year before....don't ruin their eligibilty and then cut them from the team!

So whose fault is it that these young ladies parents did not know the rules, the NDA AD or the parents themselves?

Could it be that the two young ladies cut from NDA were cut for reasons other than sports? I remember two such girls who were cut for breaking school rules and were on the soccer team and both transferred to HC. It was a while ago, so it might not be to whom you are referring, but never the less it happened!

Edited August 22, 200917 yr by Theoldguy

So whose fault is it that these young ladies parents did not know the rules, the NDA AD or the parents themselves?

 

Could it be that the two young ladies cut from NDA were cut for reasons other than sports? I remember two such girls who were cut for breaking school rules and were on the soccer team and both transferred to HC. It was a while ago, so it might not be to whom you are referring, but never the less it happened!

I am offended by your response...

It is absolutely the AD's responsibility to know the rules...there is no way a Freshman or Soph player is going to think that she shouldn't play a match because she might not make it as a Junior...the players I was referring to were Volleyball players and they were very nice girls and good players...there are a limited number of spots on a team and at NDA there are more good players than spots...not every player who is cut wants to transfer but that option should not be taken away just because a Varsity coach doesn't want to play a bad team...I am not trying to slam Notre Dame...I just want to raise awareness to the consequences of sending Freshman and JV teams to play matches that are considered to be a waste of time for the Varsity team...for the record...My daughter played 4 years at NDA and was not one of the unfortunate players to be cut...but...she did play the Varsity match against Holmes as a Freshman on the Freshman team and as a Sooh on the JV team...if she had been cut as a Junior she would have been torn about what to do but I think she would have wanted to transfer and keep playing...she is now playing D I volleyball on full scholarship so you cannot discount the importance of this issue...try to be open minded and think of it from everyone's perspective before jumping all over me for making a good point!

I can tell you first hand that last season, when players were being brought up from the JV team to dress in Varsity games, the players were told that if they played in the game they would be ineligible to play at another school the next season if they decided to leave ND. The players being asked to play up were given the option to dress varsity or not. I cannot imagine that the same information was not passed along prior to the Holmes game this week. The ND coaches would not intentionally jeopardize a player's future eligibility.

I can tell you first hand that last season, when players were being brought up from the JV team to dress in Varsity games, the players were told that if they played in the game they would be ineligible to play at another school the next season if they decided to leave ND. The players being asked to play up were given the option to dress varsity or not. I cannot imagine that the same information was not passed along prior to the Holmes game this week. The ND coaches would not intentionally jeopardize a player's future eligibility.

Firstly, I applaud those coaches for informing the players of the rule...I can tell you that that never happened in the volleyball situation...secondly, that is an entirely different situation...JV players being brought up to dress Varsity are just a select group of players who probably don't have any chance of being cut from Varsity as Juniors...what I am opposed to is the practice of sending an entire JV or in my daughters case the entire Freshman team to play a Varsity match...the varsity coach was not there...it was treated as a Freshman match on their schedule but it was the Varsity team from Holmes that they played...only 10-12 players are kept for the Varsity team so everyone knows that not every player on the JV and Freshman teams is going to make Varsity when they are Juniors...some of them are definitely going to be cut...so to jeopardize the entire team is irresponsible...I suspect that those players were informed because this became an issue a few years back but again it's not the better players that are affected...its the others who aren't called up to varsity but just happen to be on the "Team" that is sent to play the match...even if they don't get in the game they are on the bench and on the roster for that game and that makes them ineligible to play ANY SPORT at another school without sitting out a year...do you know if NDA is still sending entire JV or Freshman teams to play Varsity matches? My Daughter's Senior year the volleyball program stopped sending JV or Frosh to play Holmes but I'm not sure if that is still the case...

I am offended by your response...

It is absolutely the AD's responsibility to know the rules...there is no way a Freshman or Soph player is going to think that she shouldn't play a match because she might not make it as a Junior...the players I was referring to were Volleyball players and they were very nice girls and good players...there are a limited number of spots on a team and at NDA there are more good players than spots...not every player who is cut wants to transfer but that option should not be taken away just because a Varsity coach doesn't want to play a bad team...I am not trying to slam Notre Dame...I just want to raise awareness to the consequences of sending Freshman and JV teams to play matches that are considered to be a waste of time for the Varsity team...for the record...My daughter played 4 years at NDA and was not one of the unfortunate players to be cut...but...she did play the Varsity match against Holmes as a Freshman on the Freshman team and as a Sooh on the JV team...if she had been cut as a Junior she would have been torn about what to do but I think she would have wanted to transfer and keep playing...she is now playing D I volleyball on full scholarship so you cannot discount the importance of this issue...try to be open minded and think of it from everyone's perspective before jumping all over me for making a good point!

Now hold on a second. I said whose fault was it that the "parents" didn't know the rules. Are you letting the parents of the students off the hook because they didn't understand a simple rule. If a parent thinks their child could possibly transfer one day, then they should tell the AD/Coach that under no terms do you allow my child to play varsity until they are a Junior. Pretty simple really.

What you want is for a player who gets beat out of a spot on the varsity team to be able to transfer to another team. Sorry your beef seems to be with the KHSAA.

I only assumed that you were talking about soccer, since this thread was and is about soccer not VB! Hence the topic What is an acceptable margin to beat a team in soccer? BTW the comment about NDA playing Holmes was for Soccer not VB.

This discussion was generated from a comment about NDA sending their JV team to play Holmes to avoid a blow out...I was presenting another side to the issue...yes, my experience is with Volleyball but no matter what sport you are talking about the problem is the same...clearly, you are unable to grasp the entire picture as you keep obsessing about who should know the rules...the fact is nobody even considers the issue until it is too late which is why the AD should not allow the situation to occur in the first place...look at the big picture and do the responsible thing...

Now, I'll not bother you soccer people anymore...good day